RTS Virgin Seeks Hot Strategy Action

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009

NoobI have never played a real-time strategy game.

Seriously.

Please, let me explain.

The reasons for my lack of RTS experience are numerous. I grew up a console/handheld gamer, and while there are some strategy games for 8-and 16-bit consoles, there weren’t a ton of RTS games. If they existed, I certainly didn’t know about them.

I honestly didn’t know much of anything about the genre until I went over a friend’s house and watched him play one of the old Dune games. Although I enjoyed the first Dune book, I wasn’t impressed with the game. He had been playing it for months, so he did everything so fast that it was difficult to follow. Plus, I was more interested in mocking him for how he’d listen to his Def Leppard cassette on an endless loop while he played, than I was in following the game. I remember he mined a lot of spice, and that’s about it.

 

Red_Alert_boxLater, the same friend became hooked on Command & Conquer, and then Red Alert. The only thing I recall from those games was the time he came over my house and played Red Alert ALL NIGHT...without so much as a bathroom break. I woke up to his stupid soldiers saying “affirmative” over and over, and there he was, sitting in the same exact spot, surrounded by empty Pepsi cans and still trying to conquer the world or whatever.

My next encounter with the genre came when I was on GameSpot’s game show, “Button Mashing.” I made it to the finals, and, because the segment was sponsored by some PC company, had to have GameSpot’s PC Editor, Jason Ocampo, hand me my ass in Company of Heroes.

I couldn’t figure out how to build things or fire my weapons...hell, I could barely figure out how to move my troops. In fact, I was so bad that my inept "tactics" such as "hiding in a building by mistake" and "doing absolutely nothing right," caused the match to drag on forever. Jason's brain simply couldn't compute on a feeble enough level to deal with my idiotic maneuvers. If you’d like to see the carnage for yourself, skip to 16:00 of this video.

stressed_outLack of exposure is one reason why I haven’t played RTS games, but the biggest reason is that they didn’t appear to be a whole lot of fun. The matches take a long time, while building stuff and gathering resources seems extremely tedious. Honestly, I’d get stressed-out watching my friend play -- there was always too much stuff going on. I’ve got enough going on in my life without worrying about mining for some fictitious mineral.

But change is in the air...

I’ve gotten more and more into turn-based strategy games over the last 18 months. I’ve played several tower defense games on the iPhone, and I’ve enjoyed them all. They’re more slow-paced than RTS games, and they stress me out a little less. Most recently I played and enjoyed Plants vs. Zombies, which is a real-time tower defense game (at least in my estimation).

I think it’s time for me to give a “true” RTS game a shot, but I don’t know where to start. I need the Bitmob community’s help.

I’ve already demonstrated that I know almost nothing about the genre. I know some of the big names, but I don’t know which games are noob friendly or which games are too fast-paced for my tastes. I’m looking for suggestions on what game would serve as the best introduction to the world of real-time strategy. I’ll pick the most-popular result from the comments section, play it, and report my experience back to you in a week or two.


Here are a few random likes/dislikes that might help you match my tastes:

  • Cake_ManiaI HATE games like Cake Mania. If I wanted to feel like I’m at work, I’d go to work.
  • I don’t really have a preference between sci-fi and military settings.
  • I liked Heroes of Might and Magic when I played it back in the day.
  • Advance Wars was cool, but the matches ended up taking way too long. I just don't have that kind of patience or time.
  • The “fog of war” annoys me.
  • I like building stuff like in Sim City and Theme Park.
  • I have a snazzy new laptop with a graphics card, so I can play modern games.
  • I don’t care about playing online.
  • I don’t want to micromanage. (See: Cake Mania)
  • It doesn’t have to be a recent game, because honestly, I won’t know the difference.

Hopefully those random tidbits will help you figure out the game that’s right for me. Thanks in advance for your feedback -- I look forward to a great RTS experience!

 
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Comments (29)
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December 28, 2009
You can never go wrong with a Relic game. In a world where Blizzard is taking its sweet time with Starcraft II and Warcraft IV, they've emerged as THE RTS developer. If you're quick, you can catch awesome deals with Dawn of War II and Company of Heroes on Steam. Also definitely worth looking into and more is Relic's first outing, Homeworld (in my opinion, the finest RTS game of all time). Homeworld (and it's standalone expansin, Cataclysm, and the sequel, Homeworld 2) boost the best story of any space opera game out there, and if you've been a fan of massive space battles, this is your poison (also worth looking into are Sins of a Solar Empire and Gratuitious Space Battles). Though I suspect Total Annihilation was built on DOS architecture, you can give it's worthy successor, Supreme Commander, a try as well. I've also had an affinity for World in Conflict as well (it has a way better "Commies invading the US" storyline than MW2, that's for sure).
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December 28, 2009
I want to recommend the Xbox 360 game Halo Wars or maybe even Civilization IV (PC)
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December 28, 2009
Just get Starcraft, man. There's a reason it's still the national sport of South Korea. You need to play something like Starcraft so you can appreciate why games like Company of Heroes are different and semi-revolutionary.
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December 28, 2009
A lot depends on what you mean by micromanage. I think [i]Rise of Nations[/i] is a the best intro RTS - customizable, lots of variety, simple and deep strategy - but it does require some attention to numbers and managing an economy so it may not be for you. I will be using it to train a noob for an upcoming podcast episode, though. (This is a question we talk about from time to time - getting people into strategy games, how to do it, what the barriers are, etc.) If you are micro averse, stay as far away from the [i]TA/SupCom[/i] games as you can. Wonderful, majestic games, but there's a lot of balancing in the early phase before you can put your economy on autopilot. [i]Dawn of War II[/i] is probably right up your alley though. I think it's the best strategy game of 2009. The campaign battles are set pieces, but you can set up a skirmish against bots or with friends that will take no more than 20 or 30 minutes. Toby's [i]Halo Wars[/i] recommendation is not a bad one. [i]EndWar[/i] is a much better game, though, if you want to play a console RTS.
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December 28, 2009
You might also want to check out any of the Total War games, Rome being my favorite of them.
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December 28, 2009
No Company of Heroes love? An awesome world war two rts game.
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December 28, 2009
@Juan Aaron mentions his CoH experience in his post. It did not go well. It's one of the best RTSes ever made but it's a terrible intro RTS because it's actually quite difficult for a newb to keep all the counters straight even with rollover tips.
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December 29, 2009
A really good RTS is Rise of Nations from 2003. It's a RTS that has some influences from the CIV games which make resource managing less frustrating. You can probably find it and it's expansion Thrones & Patriots for around 5-10 bucks. Still looks great and plays flawlessly.
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December 29, 2009
For shame! Homeworld, StarCraft, Warcraft 3...all good dirt farming games.
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December 29, 2009
@Troy Excuse my typo, CoH series has three very good single player campaigns that everyone interested UN rts should play. Shroud of made my statement more clearer. Doh!
New_hair_029
December 29, 2009
The first RTS that I became obsessed with was the original Age of Empires. AOE 3, the most recent game, wasn't universally loved but I still had a lot of fun with it.
Jason_wilson
December 29, 2009
Dawn of War 2, I feel, best fits your requirements. Heroes of Might and Magic is turn-based, not real-time based. However, HOMM is damn fun, and I better appreciate the pace of turn-based games, anyway. (And if you like HOMM, check out King's Bounty!)
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December 29, 2009
Oh man, there are lots of games being mentioned. I'm not sure how I'll pick. Dawn of War 2 sounds like the leader so far. Perhaps I'll grow into liking longer battles and micro-managing, but I don't want to be overwhelmed right off the bat. I don't want to play a console RTS -- I want to take advantage of my new computer.
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December 29, 2009
I'm surprised more people haven't suggested it. You can still find Starcraft (with it's expansion) and Warcraft 3 (with IT'S expansion). I mean, Starcraft is, in my opinion, THE must play RTS. it's old and ugly, but the gameplay shines even today. If nothing else, it will get you excited for the release of Starcraft II.
Robsavillo
December 29, 2009
As others have written, Dawn of War 2 is likely your best choice, especially the single-player campaign. Though there's still a level of micromanagement involved if you're going to take full advantage of the tactical options available, the complete lack of the traditional economy and base building should make for an easy introduction. But if you're not adverse to older titles, I'd grab either Warcraft 2 or Starcraft. Both games are easy to understand, and the single-player campaigns gradually introduce new units without overwhelming the player. But I still suspect that many RTS games will just be too fast-paced for you. Dawn of War 2 in mulitplayer can be a particularly intense affair. In this case, I'd recommend Sins of a Solar Empire, but beware that while it's a slow-paced RTS, the plethora of options can be confusing to new players. I see Gratuitous Space Battles was mentioned, which is interesting. Though not a traditional RTS, I think this could also be a good choice for you. Players customize pre-designed space ships with unlockable modules -- think, lasers, shields, power generators, etc. Before each battle, the player simply sets up his fleet and watches a real-time battle with the enemy. The player cannot intervene during the battle; he can only set orders to each ship beforehand and hope for the best. I think this makes GSB's pace feel like that of a turn-based game. There's no economy at all or any base building. There's nothing to micromanage in the heat of battle, either. You just have to take the time to set up your fleet first.
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December 29, 2009
Go with StarCraft [i]64[/i]. Ahaha, just joking. Stay away from StarCraft 64. But in all honesty, the PC version of StarCraft is my suggestion. Others have mentioned that it's the must play RTS, and I agree. If you want to know more about StarCraft, check out my most recent blog here on bitmob. I wrote about the three playable races and their different personalities. It's a pretty decent primer for the game's story (I think).
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December 29, 2009
I'm in the same boat as Aaron.I have never played an RTS before but with the Steam sale I have bought Company of Heroes, haven't started yet though.I do look forward to it!
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December 29, 2009
Here's another for Dawn of War II. It is still very "micromanagy" but the scale is brought back. You don't build buildings, harvest space minerals or any other redundant thing you mentioned. All you do is control 4 squads, which move together as a unit but act independently in action and the game's tactics are based off that.
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December 30, 2009
I've never played Rise of Nations but I too think you should start with DoW2. If you still want to try new games after that, I'd recommend Warcraft3. It has a good tutorial and it steadily increases difficulty. The people in here recommending Empire, Sins, and Company of Heroes are out of their minds. He wanted a newbie friendly RTS, not hardcore ones!
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December 30, 2009
Just watched the entire Button Mashing episode. Good stuff. Man, I miss Rich.
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December 30, 2009
You know, after reading the whole "Advance Wars was cool, but the matches ended up taking way too long. I just don't have that kind of patience or time." line, I honestly can't recommend anything to you in good faith. Advance Wars was pretty much the Baby's First Step into strategy gaming and every RTS incorporates micromanaging to an extent, generally a large one. Iunno. I hope you find something though!
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December 30, 2009
Too many rules!
Andrewh
December 30, 2009
Go back and play Starcraft. For sure. It is still great, and it gets you back to some important concepts in their early days, concepts and ideas that we take for granted.
Andrewh
December 30, 2009
May I also suggest sports games, football and hockey in particular. I may sound facetious, but there are many similarities. If you can get your head around Madden, you get your head around an RTS.
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December 30, 2009
Herzog Zwei on the Sega Genesis is the first RTS I'm aware of, and the first I played. It is very noob friendly because the "commander" is a unit that is flown around with the d-pad to deploy and retrieve units from the battlefield. The commander is able to pick-up and issue the individual units a "behavior", which it will continue to portray until you pick it up and change it to something else. Resources in the game are simply occupation of the mini-bases on the battle field. Your commander unit can fly to any occupied base and purchase troops, program their behavior, and fly them to wherever you want them. It works perfect on the console and was the gateway drug to my current obsession.
Robsavillo
December 30, 2009
Aaron, I see a lot of Dawn of War 2 recommendations, so I thought I'd ask: Exactly how snazzy is your new laptop's GPU? No one enjoys playing a RTS with a choppy frame-rate, and DoW2 has higher system requirements than most other games mentioned here. I'd only run DoW2 on a laptop which has at least a 9800M GS with 512MB of memory and 2GB of RAM.
Jason_wilson
December 30, 2009
@Rob Watch out! You may be confusing Aaron. Of course, Aaron, you may always run it at the lowest visuals when you play. Also: If you change your mind and want to play with people, sign up for Steam (and maybe pick up a deal or two during its incredible sale).
Robsavillo
December 31, 2009
Running Dawn of War 2 on low settings would be such a shame!
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January 06, 2010
Dawn of War 2 looks to be the winner. I'll get cracking on it this weekend and report back to you guys next week. Thanks so much for the help!

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