The Current Generation and RPGs

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Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Editor's Note: I feel your pain, Garret. I love RPGs, and I hate that more haven't found their way to the HD consoles. Garret writes about how he's dying for traditional Japanese RPGs, where's he's found them, and what he sees as the RPG trend of this generation. -Jason





It seems to me that the classic Japanese role-playing game has taken a detour this generation. The rise of casual games on the Wii has nearly extinguished what's a smoldering but dying fire -- Fire Emblem and the Tales series still find refuge on Nintendo's age-friendly system, but Nintendo consoles have been pretty quiet when it comes to RPGs since the Super Nintendo. The Xbox 360 and PS3 are often touted as platforms dedicated to the hardcore gamer, but given the content put out for these systems, all that the core gamer is apparently interested in are adventure games, shooters, and sandboxes that involve adventuring and shooting.

Yeah, that's an overstatement, but as a generalization it's true enough. It feels like the 360 and PS3 are trying to compete with a platform that isn't even considered in the race anymore -- the PC. Fallout 3 and Mass Effect are both tremendous games (or so I've heard; I've only just begun playing Mass Effect, but I love it so far), but they're both Western RPGs and games that you would find only on the PC not too long ago. I want some good old-fashioned turn-based Japanese RPGs with spiky-hair dudes and characters with big eyes. Where are they?

 

 

The answer occurred to me this past Christmas when my girlfriend got me a Nintendo DS. I had never taken a serious look at what the DS library had to offer until I got one, and holy crap, it's got a lot of RPGs. It's an interesting trend -- and it seems to indicate that the "true" gamer who enjoys games across all genres isn't going to be content with one system anymore. What's more, they aren't going to be content with just playing games on their HDTVs with surround sound. I've found that having a DS and a 360 makes for a good one-two punch. The 360 is good for shooters and adventure games, and the DS is great for what I initially got into videogames for in the first place: platformers, puzzle games, and yes, RPGs. It wasn't too long ago that the N64 or PSX could keep up with all of these genres pretty well.Chrono Trigger DS

It makes perfect sense, really. PS3 and 360 development costs are notoriously expensive, and the DS is a great platform for porting over old RPGs with some updated graphics and features as well as developing some new titles.

However, I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, I love my DS, and I typically don't mind needing to own one to get my RPG fix. On the other hand, it saddens me that more developers are opting out of making great role-playing games for the 360 and PS3, because I still feel a desire for some beautiful-looking RPGs on my HDTV. You'd be amazed at how nice I want my turn-based battles to look.

If this trend in videogames continues, you can expect to see even fewer RPGs for consoles. Even Square Enix President Yoichi Wada admits that it's taking them too long to produce games nowadays to realistically turn a profit. The DS is too tempting an option for a good profit at a much less expensive development cost. For now I'm content, whittling away at the huge pile of games that I have yet to play on my handheld and hoping that in the future, as development costs for the current generation start to become reasonable, the RPG writes its own comeback story.

 
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July 02, 2009
I say take a look at Ninja Town since you own a DS. It may not be an RPG per say, but it is one game you need to try once.
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July 02, 2009
I know exactly what your talking about. I just got sick of shooters and I actually went out and picked up Lost Odyssey and Valkeria Chronicles on 360 and PS3 respectively. Just got that RPG hunger. I just started playing through Lost Odyssey, and it pretty much fits your description of turn-based JRPG's, and is a whole lot of fun so far. I'm also playing FFVII on my PSP. I have a DS, but really never got into any RPG's on the system, but your post is going to make me take another look at it.
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July 02, 2009
@Ryan: I've heard some rather poor things about Lost Odyssey, but then I turn around and here just as many good things. I just might have to check it out. I've also heard the Tales game on 360 (Tales of Vesperia, I think?) is pretty good, so I'll have to check that one out too. Otherwise, it's a waiting game until FFXIII for me. @Toby: Thanks for the rec, I'll check it out.
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July 02, 2009
I would definitely say check out Tales of Vesperia. I'm an RPG junkie and I loved it.
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July 02, 2009
More productive times at work i see. :P
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July 02, 2009
Yes, you [i][b]should[/b][/i] play Persona 3/4 :D
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July 02, 2009
Ninja Town is an excellent non-rpg title. Lost Odyssey is a very mediocre title. Playing Lost Odyssey, it became obvious how stale design had become and how few ideas developers had at this time. I remember reading an interview where a Japanese developer described studios filled with guys in their 40s trying to do the same thing as they did 20 years ago and it became painfully obvious with Lost Odyssey. Blue Dragon was good. Tales of Vesperia is the best classical RPG to come in a long time. It is an excellent title.
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July 02, 2009
Lost Odyssey is one of the best JRPGs on the 360 to date. 4 discs long, and with all the quirk and story of the best JRPGs. But, it's very true that the best RPG offerings today are really on the DS. Many Final Fantasy games, both new and reissued. Most RPGs on the home consoles tend to try and branch out, incorporating action, adventure, or platform elements, rather than sticking to a more classic system.
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July 03, 2009
you want to know what happened? most of the big name behind RPG'S either suddenly stopped to care or just stopped,that's what happened farewell square! it was nice playing xenogear,parasite eve,brave fencer musashi and all the original RPG you pulled out... now like mans in a desert,we search for the oasis called FF13 farewell konami! castlevania had so many secrets and you had to simplify it and put it on GBA,and suikoden has received a similiar fate farewell game arts! lunar... well at least you are getting a remake on the PSP http://bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/I-Miss-PSX-RPG-.html but anyway... you got a DS and want to play a great RPG? try shiren... just read this http://bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/You-need-to-play-Shiren-the-Wanderer.html and then go play it
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July 06, 2009
I too was a victim of the "bad things about Lost Odyssey." speeches but it turned out to be a fun game. Once you get past the first disk, the adventure totally kicks in. It is a 4 disc game. You have to take time and invest in it to really enjoy it and you can find it on eBay for 15 bucks.
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July 06, 2009
Then you get people like Adam Sessler saying it's a good thing that Japan is being "innovative" and adopting an American style to RPGs. Sorry, no. Saying that companies are being "innovative" by copying a style that's defined by the quick dollar than creativity. Meanwhile there's whole genres, let alone games that are really innovative that never see these shores. Gotta say that Sessler is full of it with his statement.
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July 06, 2009
"On the other hand, it saddens me that more developers are opting out of making great role-playing games for the 360 and PS3, because I still feel a desire for some beautiful-looking RPGs on my HDTV. " It isn't that they are opting out of it, it is so expensive to develop so most can't afford it--something you even say in the article. Also, I highly suggest you check out Valkyria Chronicles. It is the best JRPG I have played from this generation. It is a turn-based strategy RPG that does so many new things and makes it so much more accessible while still keeping the challenge.
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July 06, 2009
@Ben: Right, I suppose it was just a poor choice of words. By "opting out" I meant what you said - it saddens me that the costs don't outweigh the profits for Japanese RPG's on HD consoles. As far as Valkyria Chronicles, I've heard nothing but good things but I don't have a PS3. :(
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July 06, 2009
I'm sure that we're going to have some awesome RPG's with Dragon Quest IX, Monster Hunter 3 (within the genre), the eventualy DQX on Wii, Golden Sun DS, and of course, Final Fantasy XIII. It's true though, that this genreation hasn't seen the BIG ONE, yet.
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July 06, 2009
I don't understand why people keep bringing up final fantasy as the only rpgs, when they are mostly good. there are many other jrpgs that are good. like suikoden, and all 4 personas are really good. especially 3 and 4 for not trying to be all about graphics. and P4 was an improvement from 3 by not trying to make the story of going to this one dungeon for the entire story. It also make the game go a little faster by making more social links than making the characters go on battle all the time. it was much faster playing P4 than P3. As for FF, I dont understand why people think FF7 is the template that all rpgs has to base on? All ff7 did was making better graphics and went 3D. I think the Final Fantasys in SNES era was much better in stories and gameplay. I think FF10,6 and 4 are better than 7.
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July 06, 2009
Sorry. I forgot to mention the fact that the SNES RPGs are successful becuase of gameplay. and right now teams are trying to make the RPG all just for the vision and graphics and lack the focus on story and gameplay. Persona 3/4 worked just fine on a PS2. People just didnt' play them because they are not next gen and it's on PS2. I remember i saw a lot of commentors who doesn't want to play Persona 4 is all about it's old gen and graphics issues or its a JRPG. That's so damn immature to say that i dont like the game because it doesn't look good.
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July 06, 2009
The only japanese-style RPGs I've ever liked are the Kingdom Hearts games. I get good story-telling, but with gameplay that keeps me interested; I just can't stand the traditional random-battles/turn-based mix.
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July 06, 2009
@Michael . I really enjoyed the shadow hearts series
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July 06, 2009
@toby @ michael oh yeah i forgot about kingdom hearts and shadow hearts. they are good too.
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July 06, 2009
I recently got the RPG itch and tried to fill it with Mass Effect. It didn't work so I decided to get Chrono Trigger for my newly purchased DSi. I've never played it before and it really does feel like it could have been developed over the past 2 years. After reading this though it made me really want to see some monsters with good design in HD, preferably with a more realistic look.
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July 06, 2009
Well I think we're gonna see the same thing we did the last 2 generations: everyone's waiting to see what Final Fantasy is going do with the new consoles before they try putting something out. It's just much worse now because developing for current-gen is expensive and long. Not only are we waiting much longer on FF than we usually do, but the money you stand to lose by failing this gen is (I guess) too much to risk making a full-on, epic jrpg without the usual FF ''guidelines for making a good rpg''.
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July 06, 2009
Garret, if you enjoyed most of FF1-10, I'd say chances are you'll like Lost Odyssey. Parts of the game are a little archaic (the random battles), but the narrative is refreshingly mature. The characters aren't one-dimensional, and actually feel quite realistic. I also like how the game is racially diverse, but doesn't resort to stereotypes. But what amazed me most about Lost Odyssey despite the impressive cutscenes, was the story. The central story is pretty good, but it's really fleshed out by the side stories, and they typically have quite an emotional impact on people who are willing to read them. They're events that most people worldwide can relate to, and look at things from multiple perspectives, so I found them quite refreshing. Also, I thought the musical score was great, the male characters weren't effeminate, and I thought the battle system was pretty good too (despite the initial load times). There's definitely mixed feelings on that game, but I'd say if you play an RPG mostly for the story, music, and artwork, you'll probably enjoy it. As for other good RPGs in recent times, I liked Tales of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata (I've yet to play Star Ocean 2 PSP and Star Ocean 4). Eternal Sonata isn't for everyone, since the characters are a bit childish, but I loved the artwork (even though I'm not an anime fan), and I liked the semi-historical storyline. Not to mention, the music was excellent. Tales of Vesperia isn't the best game in the series storywise, but the visuals and gameplay provide for a great all around experience.
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July 06, 2009
I think that RPGs are still viable--they just need to take a risk and make good ones. Ever since Square and Enix merged, the quality has generally went downhill. Sakaguchi-san actually tried something big with Lost Odyssey (and succeeded in my opinion), but Square-Enix has mostly been milking franchises. And most of their spinoffs have been terrible. They completely butchered the Mana series for example with some abysmal DS and PS2 games. I'm sure many of their fans have moved on to bigger and better things because of their laziness. I realize that it costs a lot to make a blockbuster game nowadays, so instead of throwing resources at too many projects, they should focus on making a few really good games. For example, in addition to FFXIII, why not make a great Chrono sequel and then an original game that meets the quality of something like Xenogears or Secret of Mana? Instead, they'd rather charge $40 for a crusty game, and they lose sales as a result.
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July 06, 2009
I get the same feeling. The lack of innovation here is poor. The RPGs we love were at least attempting to build on a theme. More character customization, a longer, deeper story, etc- things were changing, from a technical stand point, from game to game. They just haven't left the mentality of a PS2 rpg. Lost Odyssey is an appropriate example, its gorgegous but its still just an ordinary rpg that could have easily have been made 5 years ago with less visuals. American RPGs have been succeeding because they are building on the standards we love in rpgs. Mass effect has many assets(see: dialogue complexities, ridiculous visuals, most of which only really work in the context of an rpg, and all new to the genre. Fallout had a scale that was only conducive to next generation technology. Japanese RPGs are running from the same playbook they did in 2000 and we don't need that shit anymore.
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July 06, 2009
Mass Effect was awesome, but I wouldn't say that it's all that different from KOTOR and Jade Empire. As for Western RPGs like Oblivion and Fallout, they follow a formula too. Sure, the worlds can be even bigger now, but I'd rather have concrete goals than wander endlessly. Lost Odyssey may not have had the dialogue trees of Mass Effect, but its short stories were a unique approach.
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July 06, 2009
It definitely refined the mechanics (despite the hairy gun-play), which I guess I was trying to the say in the first place. The new brand of JRPGs haven't been doing that.

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