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An Open Letter to Gearbox Software, Re: Borderlands DLC

Mikeshadesbitmob0611
Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Editor's note: Although Borderlands was one of my favorite games of last year, I haven't tried any of the DLC yet, partly due to developer Gearbox's sub-par PC support and glacier-inspired approach to bug fixing. According to Michael, I can skip Mad Moxxi. But that General Knoxx trailer looks kind of amazing. I may need to re-up. -Demian


Dear Gearbox Software,

I want to start off by saying congratulations on the release of the latest Borderlands DLC, The Secret Armory of General Knoxx. I’ve been following the coverage, and so far, I’m impressed. From new vehicles and enemy types, to a raised level cap and even more ridiculous guns, General Knoxx looks extremely promising.

However, I should note that I was one of the people who bought Mad Moxxi’s Underdome Riot on day one, and the coverage on that expansion looked compelling as well. It’s a little late to say this, considering General Knoxx is complete, but I wanted you to know how important this DLC is to the fans, and how thin the ice you’re walking on may be.

General Knoxx

 

Before I continue, I want to preface the rest of this letter by explaining to you just how much Borderlands means to me, so that you’ll know I’m not just a random messageboard troll who couldn’t hack Mad Moxxi’s difficulty level. When Borderlands came out, I disregarded it completely, and refused to give it a chance. Over the following week, though, the widespread acclaim finally got to me, and I gave Borderlands a try. I was instantly hooked, and over the next week, I did nothing but play and discuss the game. By now, over a dozen of the three million units you’ve sold to date came from my recommendations to my peers. I even purchased a few extra copies as gifts for friends and family.

Later, when you released The Zombie Island of Dr. Ned as Borderlands' first DLC, I was out of the country. When I came home, I had Modern Warfare 2, Dragon Age: Origins, and a host of other fourth-quarter games waiting on my desk. Instead of breaking into the pile, the first thing I did (after unpacking), was to purchase and play through Dr. Ned. Twice.

So, when I say that Mad Moxxi made me give up Borderlands entirely, I hope you’ll appreciate the gravity of that statement.

I understand that you wanted to give fans something different. Arena-style gameplay can be incredibly fun and rewarding, but unfortunately, I don’t feel that Mad Moxxi did the format justice. For starters, Mad Moxxi is borderline impossible to complete solo, and nowhere in the product description does it say that multiple players are required to complete it. To date, I’ve only met one person who has finished the small tournaments alone, and his character setup was so specialized that I doubt anybody else would have stumbled upon the same solution.

Aside from finding reliable companions to tackle the arena, a large part of the challenge stems from the fact that you didn’t allow us to save or suspend tournaments in progress. I can understand extending replay value for the five-round tournaments by having death result in a loss of progress, but the 20-round tournaments take close to three hours to finish, an unreasonable expectation for four people meeting casually online. This sort of time commitment may be de rigueur in World of Warcraft, but a lot of shooter fans aren’t used to such marathon co-op sessions.

Furthermore, the rewards for completing roughly 25 hours of repetitive grinding -- not counting numerous deaths -- aren’t even substantial. Two extra skill points will not impact the way I play the game, and the guns that drop at the end of each round are almost always vendor trash. Aside from achievement points, there’s little reason to even attempt the bigger tournaments outside of a sheer love for the product -- a love that I feel has been stretched to its breaking point.

I’m not the only one who felt burned, as I’m sure you’re aware. The general outrage against Mad Moxxi is on par with the destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars, only our voices weren’t silenced after crying out in agony. Some time has passed, but a lot of us still feel betrayed by a studio that gave us one of the more memorable and unique gaming experiences of the last decade.

That’s why General Knoxx is so critical, and why I pray that you’ve taken its development seriously. More than sales hinge on this release. If the new content doesn’t deliver in a substantial way, you’re going to lose dedicated supporters. Mad Moxxi was painful, and a lot of fans -- myself included -- won’t come back if you burn us a second time. Sure, Borderlands is just a game. I don't want to get too melodramatic here, but if a consistently enjoyable game experience can offer a temporary reprieve from harsh reality once in awhile, then I think that’s something worth caring about.

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt in recognition of your continuing efforts to support Borderlands owners. I’m going to buy General Knoxx and I’ll play through it with an open mind. When I’m done, I’ll let you know how I feel about it, and whether or not we have to have words again.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to go find a level 48 Equalizer revolver for my Gunslinger build.

Sincerely Yours,

Michael Rousseau, aka Mordecai

 
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Comments (35)
Waahhninja
February 20, 2010
Boy, howdy, do I agree with this. The only reason I played Mad Moxxi for more than 45 minutes was for the achievements. I have little interest in helping anyone else through the arena after all the time it took. That said, I'm EXTREMELY excited for General Knoxx.
Me_and_luke
February 20, 2010
Indeed, I very much love Borderlands, enjoyed Zombie Island, and really look forward to Secret Armory (I was on the fence for about a week straight on whether or not to get Underdome, and finally decided against it; glad I made that choice). Secret Armory looks really promising though, between the new level 61 cap, new vehicles, and large amount of quests. I really think Gearbox got an earful from the fans for Underdome, and are rightly returning to stand fare similar to Zombie Island. Don't let us down! Sincerely, Trixie Tang (Siren)
100media_imag0065
February 20, 2010
So, Gearbox studio gives you one of the most fun, unique, and downright awesome games to come along in a long, long time and you go online to threaten your abandonment if they don't please and fulfill you with their next DLC??? Wow. They owe NOTHING to you. You understand that, right?? They made an amazing game, and you bought it because of that. Now it is your choice to not buy an further DLC. I hardly think they are going to loose any sleep over someone who wasn't a high enough level to complete the DLC alone. I was able to beat it alone no problem, and with a friend in 2 hours. So I am not sure where you are getting "three hours" from. I also do not know a single other person who has complained about leaving one of the greatest franchises in the last decade because they were unhappy with DLC. Do you realize how selfish that sounds?? You admitted to yourself how great it was, and now you are willing to drop it all because they weren't able to satisfy you 110%?? Is that really the way you live your life??? Will you divorce your wife because she burned your dinner?? Will you demand a refund on a movie because you did not like the ending?? Will you return a New Car because the radio played a song you didn't like?? Then why would you turn your back on a fantastic franchise because of one piece of downloadable content you did not care for?? I do not know why people like you demand perfection from games and life. It always boggled me how quickly people will turn their backs on something as soon as it stops pleasing them 100%. That is NO way to live your life. NO game is perfect. Heck, my favorite game of all time is far from perfect. Mass Effect has one of the most dreadful frame rates in existence, but I still loved the game. Then the first DLC came out and it was pretty shallow. However, I still loved the game. Then the second DLC came out and it was a complete joke. However, I still loved the game. Why did I still love the game after two bouts of mediocre DLC?? Well, because I do not demand perfection. I do not demand everything instantly satisfy me or risk loosing my business. I just won't act so harshly on something that has given so much joy. Especially when the industry is taking such a sharp turn towards appeasing the casual gamer instead of the hardcore gamer, I do not have the right to complain about an amazing HARDCORE experience.
Waahhninja
February 20, 2010
@Ed Woah, buddy! Cool down a bit. It was certainly disappointing to a lot of people that Dr. Ned's was a mission-based, fun continuation of the Borderlands main game and then Mad Moxxi was a long stream of endless arena combat. Michael isn't the only one with that complaint. I tried doing Mad Moxxi with two of my friends and it took us over four hours to get to the 8th set. The enemies being constantly upgraded after every round ended up making it a terrible slog. We were all level 50 and we all had some amazing gear. We were only able to beat the last three Big Tournaments after getting a friend to start up the arenas with a level 1 character. The higher level you are, the harder the arena is. The more people you play with, the longer the arena takes. Both of these issues are counter to the best that Borderlands had to offer. Spending 2 hours to finish one Big Tournament with a level 1 sitting out was boring as hell but the only way to get through the tournaments with our sanity intact. Just because you disagree with Michael's light-hearted approach to telling Gearbox, "You had my love, you squashed it and now I want you to earn it back," doesn't mean he's what you think he is. If you relax a bit I'm sure you'd see that.
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 20, 2010
@Ed, you could have made a compelling case against my argument, but you totally squashed your own ethos by approaching a potentially hostile audience with hostility of your own, launching countless ad hominems, red herrings and slippery slope conclusions, and ultimately failing to research your opposition before launching your argument. I appreciate the effort, though. Tom has the right idea, here. This wasn't meant to be a deathly serious piece. I took the original article -- a piece looking back briefly at the last two DLC packs that discusses the outlash and what Gearbox has to face with the new one -- and put it in an open letter format to try something new and fun with my presentation. Yes, Mad Moxxi soured me to the BL experience, and I quit playing. I never said that I stopped loving the game. I just quit playing. Now, it's clear that my tone may have been off in this one. If you have any actual [i]suggestions[/i] as to how I could improve it, I'm all ears. If not, GameFAQS is over there.
Default_picture
February 20, 2010
I doubt I will even get the larger challenges done due to the amount of time it will take to complete. Then again I don't like the arena area as much as I enjoy co-oping with others on missions.
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 20, 2010
@Toby if you want to run around and get some good loot, let me know. New Haven farming is a little boring. Actually, do you think a Bitmob General Knoxx party would be a fun thing to organize?
Default_picture
February 20, 2010
I know me and Tommy I. play this on PS3 :).. Oh I am only at level 45 and need to get to level 50 for that platnium. Did you see the new good loot treasures that give you 2x what the red boxes gave you. :) Side Note: The only thing I really love about mad moxie is just the bank and that is about it. Glad I can store stuff there.
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 20, 2010
Yeah, I have some cool stuff stored in the bank. Unfortunately, I play on the 360 :( I should put some feelers out there and try to get a group together for Borderlands.
37893_1338936035999_1309080061_30825631_6290042_n
February 20, 2010
@Michael I'd totally be up for this! I've only gotten to play online with people twice, due to my lack of friends with the game. Once at launch day and once for the small tourneys in Moxxi. I've got it for 360 too, so if you want to play sometime, my gamertag is Chal00pacabra. I'm trying to get all the unique weapons for my Siren (16 to go,) but you're right, New Haven farming is getting really old really quickly. As for your argument, I actually was just fine with Moxxi. Sure, it's not a place I spend a ton of time in, but Gearbox gave me exactly what I wanted, a bank. With 71 unique weapons to find, I need every one of those 42 bank slots. At this point, Gearbox could sell Horse Armor and I'd still buy it happily.
Me_and_luke
February 20, 2010
Mike, I would also be very much down for a Secret Armory get-together. I assume you'll make a post dedicated to the gathering when the DLC releases, but if you want to send me a FR now or jot down my GT for future reference, it's PistonHonda22.
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 21, 2010
For sure, guys. Once we have a date, I'll check and see if I'll be able to play. I'm relocating in less than a month and I'll be without internet while I find a new place. I hope the DLC is out in the next few weeks. If it is, we'll definitely get a game going, and I'll make a post.
Redeye
February 21, 2010
The underdome definately suffered hard from having no substantial rewards for play. It would have been interesting if they had made it more substantial. As it is it's just another hacked together hoard mode clone with no inspiration to it. I bet you that hoard mode clones will become the new 'back of the box bullet point' for companies to shoehorn into their shooting game weather it needs it or not.
Waahhninja
February 22, 2010
General Knoxx will be released tomorrow for 360 and a few days later for PS3. It's true. I read it on the internet :-)
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 22, 2010
If that IS true, then I should get cracking!
Waahhninja
February 22, 2010
I read it on 1up. So...yeah. I generally accept that as da truf.
Me_and_luke
February 22, 2010
Waahhninja
February 22, 2010
DLC coming on Wednesday now for 360. http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-4460-Borderlands-DLC-Suffers-Massive-(ly-Small)-Delay.html I prefer my bad news with some humor so this was nice.
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 22, 2010
Ah, thanks for the update. I had my whole day cleared away and everything. Well, no worries. Tomorrow it is!
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 22, 2010
Actually, this is funny: I was finishing up my achievement last night, and ended up with 60/60. When I went to check around 11pm, it said 60/70. When I clicked on the list to see the new achievements, it went back to 60/60, and there was no title update when I went to dash. So, if the update and content were pulled at the last minute, it happened around 11pm my time :P
37893_1338936035999_1309080061_30825631_6290042_n
February 22, 2010
@Tom was incorrect, General Knoxx is live now! ...and then there was much rejoicing.
Waahhninja
February 22, 2010
@Chase To be fair, I read it on that late update. Wasn't trying to be a mongerer of rumors.
Default_picture
February 23, 2010
I heard that the inventory system is going over to the new DLC as well.
Default_picture
February 23, 2010
I didn't know so many people didn't enjoy the underdome. I, for one, thought it was a nice offshoot and have had a blast playing through it. I haven't tried to beat all the upper challenges, but that doesn't particularly bug me. I did have a fairly consistent partner to play through it (at least for the lesser arenas), but we both agreed after one attempt at the long arenas we should at least have even levels before trying something so time consuming again. I have not yet decided to pick up the Zombie Island DLC however as that failed to compel me. I am looking forward to this next batch and it looks to be yet another improvement worthy of my support and is downloading as I type. Personally, the Borderlands DLC has been some of the most compelling post-release support for a game that I've seen and should this General Knoxx DLC prove to better the game yet again, I'll probably even go back and pick up the Zombie Island if for nothing else than to show my support for what has provided numerous hours of entertainment.
Default_picture
February 24, 2010

@Michael

That response to Ed had one of the strangest sentences I ever read. Red herrings? Ad hominem? Slippery slope conclusions? Is this like comments mad lib? All of those seem to be pretty weighty accusations for a poster who seems only to be guilty of too much punctuation and a slight inclination toward hyperbole. Red herrings imply deception, ad hominem implies discrediting your character, and slippery slopes infer elevated or unforeseen downstream ethical impacts. I think that might be reaching a bit here, no?

Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 24, 2010

I don't think it's reaching, per se. If he's able to make rash conclusions about how apparently selfish and terrible I am, I can accuse him of logical fallacies based on his intentions.


Rather than argue the quality of the DLC, he focussed on my character, turning the lens on me instead of the content to divert attention away from a weak, or nonexistant argument. Then, he made wild accusations about my character, drawing rash conclusions meant to lower my ethical appeal. Those accusations include implying that because I would drop a game because of poor DLC, I would divorce my wife or return a new car for petty reasons.


I think that covers all three of my conclusions. Good job on the mad lib comment, though. That made me laugh.

37893_1338936035999_1309080061_30825631_6290042_n
February 25, 2010

So...I've already beaten all of Knoxx twice. Not saying that it's a small amount of content (because actually, it's freakin' huge,) I'm just incredibly addicted to it and may have skipped a couple classes and a full night of sleep.


That being said, I'm looking for any level 61 Xbox Vault Hunters to take on the "secret" final boss, Crawmerax. My Gamertag is Chal00pacabra. Bring caustic and explosive weapons.

Thanks

100media_imag0065
February 25, 2010

@ Michael. Do not patronize me. Here, let me give YOU a quote from your own article.

 

"If the new content doesn't deliver in a substantial way, you're going to lose dedicated supporters. Mad Moxxi was painful, and a lot of fans -- myself included -- won't come back if you burn us a second time."

 

So, you are then trying to tell me that "this wasn't meant to be deathly serious". Why do people always try and twist their own words in an attempt to eradicate their own foolishness??? That is what I want to know.

 

Do not sit there and try to tell me, in so many words, that I do not know what I am talking about. I have been gaming, and writing about games, for 25 years. And while I may be a bit rusty, I am far from ignorant. In those 25 years I have had to deal with people like you. People who are constantly willing to drop everything if it doesn't bring them full satisfaction all the time.

 

It is irrelevant if you still "love" the franchise. You are threatening Gearbox with complete abandonment if they do not please you to the fullest. Have you no idea how cynical that sounds? Granted, you may have had a lighter tone in mind while writing your article, but you assume that I can read your mind, and I should somehow know that you aren't as serious as you make yourself sound. It is your job, if you plan to continue with more articles on Bitmob, to portray your emotions and intentions with clear-cut accuracy. However, I believe that you meant every word that you wrote, but when you read my comment, you backed down and threw your hands up.

 

I can not begin to tell you how many times I have seen this very thing in my time. A game doesn't control perfectly, so the forums light up with "gamers" threatening to leave. A game has mediocre graphics, and the forums flame up with "gamers" threatening to trade their games in. It is OK for someone to not enjoy a game. Obviously people have different tastes, and I am not a Nazi against opinions, but all these people had one thing in common. They. Loved. The. Game.

 

You see where I am going with this? It is one thing to not enjoy a game and make a justified decision to not buy another copy. It is a completely different thing to fully enjoy a game, and then threaten to leave everything if that game does not continue to please you at every chance. Again, How can someone be so cynical?? I am sorry if you did not like some of the DLC in Borderlands, but to come on here and threaten Gearbox with loosing your business unless they please you is juvenile, and misguided.

 

Twist it any way you want. You can not hide clear intentions under a smoke screen of  "No, that's not what I meant". It's all right there in your own words.

Waahhninja
February 25, 2010
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
February 25, 2010

@Ed, you're right. I give. I'm cynical. And I'm just like everybody else you've ever encountered on the internet who has decided to shit on a game. I won't fight that with you any more.

The only thing I'm going to take issue with is the fact that you just told me what I have to apparently do to keep writing on Bitmob, as if you're an authority on the subject. With all due respect, that whole claim sounds rather ridiculous, coming from someone who, for all I can tell, hasn't even posted an article on Bitmob, ever, and who continuously posts negative comments. Sounds like sour grapes, to me, so long as we're attacking each other's character based on limited information.

My writing isn't perfect, by far. I've come here to improve, outside of my professional writing gigs. The community has been very supportive. In less than three months, I've had 12 front-page promotions, with very few edits, and if I was doing something massively wrong with my writing, I would trust that Bitmob's editorial staff would have words with me about it, or at least discontinue their support of my efforts.


Either way, this "discussion" ends here. I'm not going to have one of my articles turn into a GameFAQS thread. Post whatever negative comments you want. I won't dignify them any longer.

 

@Chase, we've taken down Crawmerax about six times now. Post your deets over at http://bitmob.com/articles/bitmob-borderlands-player-list to find some more mobbers to play with, and send me an invite. We'll take you on our next run if we run into you online.

37893_1338936035999_1309080061_30825631_6290042_n
February 25, 2010

@Michael Done and done sir. See you on the 'Lands.


By the way, I liked your article a lot.

Default_picture
February 25, 2010

Geez Ed. I think I just got second degree burns because of all your flaming. ;)

Pshades-s
February 27, 2010

I was severely disappointed by the Underdome. Frankly, I'm stunned they haven't made any attempt to patch it to make it more playable. Up the rewards, allow mid-match saving, increase XP...something!

Mikeshadesbitmob0611
March 03, 2010

Sorry about the unintentional bump. Wasn't sure what the Tick icon did.

Jason_wilson
March 03, 2010

Nice piece, Michael. I'm at level 20 and am still not sure if I like Borderlands. 

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