The Twitter Verdict: Is DeathSpank: Thongs of Virtue Coming Too Soon?

Mitch_jul31
Thursday, August 26, 2010

This week's debut of The Twitter Verdict -- which focuses on Twitter users' responses to the goings-on of the games industry -- asks a simple yet semi-controversial question: How soon is too soon for a sequel?


Thongs of Virtue

Whoa, hang on a minute. On September 21, just 70 days after the first title's launch, DeathSpank: Thongs of Virtue will hit Xbox Live Arcade and the PlayStation Network. We're used to two-year gaps between sequels. This has to be some sort of record.

Some Twitter users think the timing is perfect.

"I like episodic games and as long as the game is good. I would rather [have] good short games often than long good games rarely," says Darvin111. Podcast host Lloyd Hannesson agrees, saying that he is "most def excited. The first DeathSpank was great. [If] they can keep pumping them out in episodic frequency, I'll keep buying."

When I asked if this alarming regularity is something we want in games, I expected an outpouring of angry replies. The number of positive responses blew me away.

 

Sure, a few folks aren't exactly ecstatic about the release's immediacy, and the phrase "too soon" is a common thread in their negative arguments. My good friend Derrek Lucas says it simply: "It's too soon for leftovers."

Senior Editor Brad Gallaway of GameCritics.com feels the same. His trio of tweets declares that he's not excited because it's "too soon." He also says that "it's an add-on or expansion, not a sequel... calling it a 'sequel' seems pretty dubious to me. There's been no time for a real eval post-DS1."

Gallaway makes a great point. Two months between releases is barely enough time to digest the first game, if you've even had the chance to play it yet.

But Matt Caulder is excited because of this. "I'm still enjoying the first one," he says, "and announcing it so close to its release date is a big plus for me... if they fix things from the first game, then there's almost no such thing as too soon."

Mogwai_Poet contests that it's, surprise, "too soon." He says it "Wasn't established as episodic, so [it] feels like a cash-in -- or like they held content back so we'd pay again." Freelance writer Jeffrey Matulef also raises his eyebrow about its episodic nature: "I'm fine with them splitting it into two smaller games, but wish it had been announced as such."

Fun fact: Ron Gilbert originally announced DeathSpank as an episodic series. When EA hopped on board to publish it, that went away. Apparently, it's episodic again, and a lot of folks are fine with it.

User KevSpace embraces this release schedule: "It was tons of co-op fun and left me wanting more. I don't mind paying another $15 for seven more hours of goofiness. Day-one buy!" He continues, "I'd buy it today if I could. Couch co-op is rare, funny games are even rarer, so the fact that it's fun is almost irrelevant to me."

I'll never understand why someone can reject more of something they liked. We usually have to wait torturous years between sequels. Now that it's just a couple months, it's a bad thing? It's interesting that something as simple as an announcement can divide an entire audience of like-minded people -- not just gamers, but those who played and enjoyed DeathSpank.

To their credit, Twitter users make strong arguments for whether it's "too soon" or not. Obviously, there isn't a definitive yes or no solution to the situation, but DeathSpank: Thongs of Virtue's existence is certainly a catalyst for conversation.

But I doubt we would we have told BioWare to shove it if Mass Effect 3 released before summer started.

 
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Comments (10)
Default_picture
August 26, 2010

I thought DeathSpank provided terrific value for its $15 price tag.  From everything I've read about TOV, this isn't so much a sequel but just more content using the framework of the original game.  Furthermore, it never calls itself a sequel, probably mostly to quell the inevitable complaints about the sameness of this new game.  It's hard to classify it as an add-on though because no stats or items carry over from DeathSpank.  Basically, TOV finds itself in a grey area between a full-fledged sequel and add-on DLC.  

But really, who cares?  If you liked DeathSpank, as I did, you will buy this knowing exactly what to expect and you will undoubtedly enjoy it.  If you didn't like it, you know you won't like TOV.  And if you didn't play DeathSpank, then GFY!

Mitch_jul31
August 26, 2010

I think it falls in the "Unofficially Episodic" category. Without saying as much, I think they're striving to release these regularly. Fine by me. I booted up DeathSpank last night to finish off my last Achievement, and it made me realize how bummed I was to have finished it so quickly. I'm ready for more, and that it's coming so soon makes me tingle.

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August 26, 2010

You know, I'd be down with episodic, but I can't quite put my finger on why this particular fact is upsetting me...

$15 per episode.

I don't know why, but if this were a series I was comfortable investing in, I think the investment would have been made much more assuredly with a $10/hit tag on it.

Hughesd_2_
August 26, 2010

I'm really excited about the sequel--the only negative for me is that it comes out a week--A WEEK--after one of the biggest games this fall (Halo: Reach, for those living under a rock :) ). Going to buy, but coming so soon after Reach may make me wait a bit.

I'm surprised people are complaining about lost value, because I thought there was more than enough gameplay in terms of time and content quality to justify $15. Besides maybe Dragon Age and Red Dead Redemption, DeathSpank is one of my favorites this year.

Jason_wilson
August 26, 2010

I think it's great that an expansion for a short game like DeathSpank is on its way. I remember a time when PC games received expansions several months after they came out. 

Brett_new_profile
August 26, 2010

You missed my tweet from the other day, Mitch, which sums up my feelings pretty darn well: "Hell yes! Deathspank Part 2 in a month!"

Default_picture
August 26, 2010

Sort of makes you wonder why they had such a hard time getting the Penny Arcade games out. For those that don't know, by "hard time" I mean they quit after two installments.

Robsavillo
August 27, 2010

I'm confused: Is Thongs of Virtue a stand-alone sequel or an expansion? If the latter, I think charging the same price as the base game is odd.

That said, I don't see any problem with releasing a second title so soon, but I don't really have a horse in this race. I didn't particularly care for Deathspank, and September 21 marks the day Civilization 5 arrives. I won't notice Thongs of Virtue.

Mitch_jul31
August 27, 2010

I think you're ascribing a value to an arbitrary title, Rob. Whether it's a sequel or expansion is irrelevant -- it's another game for the same price. It's the same game no matter what title we apply to it, and it's value shouldn't change based on whether it's a sequel, expansion, episode, or whatever.

Robsavillo
August 27, 2010

I don't. For example, Civ 4: Warlords is an expansion to the base Civ 4 game. It alters some game mechanics, introduces new ones, and provides new content in the form of maps and units. Civ 4: Warlords isn't a sequel to Civ 4, and I wouldn't have paid $50 for it (2K priced Warlords at $30.)

So what is Thongs of Virtue? Is it a new game? Is it merely additional content that's added to the base Deathspank game? It's unclear.

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