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256 Players...Can MAG Really Work?
Dan__shoe__hsu_-_square
Sunday, June 07, 2009

Unless you're talking techie-geek stuff -- bits, bytes, and all that -- 256 isn't a very practical number. Yet that's the magical number of players that MAG (which previously stood for "Massive Action Game") supports. With each match lasting 20 minutes or longer, it seems that "practical" is an impossible concept with so many people playing this shooter at once.

Can it work? We had a ton of questions and concerns...and we found the answers at this past E3....

 

Why 256 players?

For the techie geeks out there, 256 is a good number for server packets.

Also, on the lowest level, you can organize eight players in a squad, 32 players (four squads) in a platoon, and 128 players (four platoons) in one company. Have two opposing companies and you end up with 256 players.

What about the lag?

MAG will be running on dedicated servers, which means many fewer problems related to other players' bad connections. Also, the game will be running on a unique network architecture, where it'll do more local updating -- that is, it'll send info back and forth more often for everything nearby than for faraway action, optimizing the data pipeline.

This doesn't mean you won't see any lag, mind you. We won't know until we're playing under real-world, at-home conditions. But lag is something the developers are obviously very mindful of.

Can you join as groups of larger than eight players?

Not when MAG launches, no. But developer Zipper is looking at support for larger group sizes as a possible post-launch, downloadable update. But you might be able to trick the system into letting all 127 of your friends into the same game (though probably not all in the same side/company), if you all try to join at the same time, because...

How will the system fill out 256-player games without forcing people to wait forever in lobbies?

All players looking for a game at any given time will be thrown into a single master queue. Therefore, instead of having dozens or hundreds of open lobbies looking for players at one time, the system will keep pouring players into one massive game until it fills up or a certain time limit is up (for those slow nights). Then, that game launches and a new queue opens up. It's sort of like an amusement park line.

This seems like a very smart system, but we don't know if that'll make for a huge mess when it comes to player ranks and matchmaking.

How will voice chat work?

The eight players in a squad can chat, and the platoon leader can chat with all squad leaders, while company leaders can chat to platoon and squad leaders. Company leaders can also broadcast to everyone at once if he chooses to do so.

Zipper hopes that the ranking system will help to put the right players in those leadership roles to avoid assholes from taking over the airwaves. You can lose experience points for team kills, bad play, losing, etc., so on paper, only the serious, dedicated players will rise up to leadership positions.

 



For a different, very interesting set of concerns from an ex-Army officer, read this community post.

 
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Comments (12)
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June 08, 2009
I hope this does work as I look forward to seeing how this will play out over all after launch.
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June 08, 2009
This is actually a systemseller for me. I haven't had a PS3 yet but a few 360s, currently PC is my only platform though. But if this gets good reviews I just might have to spend that cash for a PS3, if this works it will be fantastic.
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June 08, 2009
Hehe..."a few 360s"...get a few red rings of death, Christian?
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June 08, 2009
If nothing gets delayed, Fall 2009 may be the best time ever to be a fan of the FPS genre. MAG, Operation Flashpoint 2, Modern Warfare 2, and Halo ODST are the games I'm tracking. It will be interesting to see if the other games will be able to steal any of Modern Warfare 2's multiplayer thunder.
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June 08, 2009
I just don't understand "why". How is 256 players better than eight or twenty or forty players? If they manage to "compartmentalize" the experience so you're only playing in a squad of eight people...then why not just make it a squad vs squad game? It seems the bullet point for selling this game is simply "[b]There's 256 players! ZOMG! 4W3s0m3!"[/b] I don't see what this offers that Kill Zone 2 doesn't beyond the "massive" amount of people playing it.
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June 08, 2009
...and this game will fail hard if it's released thirty days before or after ODST or Modern Warfare 2, and I think I'm being too soft on the thirty days. Closer to sixty would probably be more accurate.
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June 08, 2009
@Steven Hicks: The point of the large scale battles is that the objectives will slowly involve more squads as the match progresses. It could end up getting to the point where a 128 man team is attacking something that another 128 man team is trying to defend.
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June 08, 2009
Well that's interesting. I would think bandwidth is a concern if the battle scales to those numbers. If they can pull of solutions for tech limitations as well as solutions to keep the larger scale battles from turning into chaotic cluster-fucks...maybe they're onto something here.
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June 08, 2009
Shoe: Actually none! I've had three.. Wow I've had three :S I sold them all to afford PC upgrades/other stuff, PC is my main platform and I would love to see MAG on there.. But yes, a PS3 is more appealing since I know it's made with quality as well- Steven: If you're a diehard Battlefield fan you'll understand why it's awesome. There really are few multiplayer experiences that are more awesome then when you are a squadleader (I usually am) and play with more or less the same people. The amount of teamwork you get over time is a nice feeling, and knowing and seeing that you're tactics pay off. I can also recommend ArmA 2 if you like realistic shooters. VERY realistic then. Tried it the other day, and besides being demanding as hell it looks and feels amazing. Like playing OpF for the first time.
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June 08, 2009
[b]@Christian[/b] You've had 3 systems and no RROD? That's how many 360s I've had conk out on me. And yet...I still only have a 360. Maybe you should get a PS3 purely to not push your luck 8)
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June 08, 2009
@Derek Hehe.. Yeah. I actually had no issues what so ever with my 360s, except for Resident Evil 5 just not working the night after release, however me and my coop-partner were very drunk and didn't figure out what went wrong.. The day after it worked magically for no apparent reason when I reinstalled it. Also I haven't had a Playstation since like 2002, so it feels like it's time for a change. No fan at all with playing FPS with the dualshock though, so I'm quite dreading that. Tried KZ2 on a friends system and found it to be absolutely horrendous - that whole realism-aiming-deal didn't quite do it for me, and the dualshock didn't help. I should add that I'm usually very lucky when it comes to technology :D
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June 08, 2009
I would be skeptical of whether or not this could work, but after seeing the destruction capabilities in Red Faction 3, i think its safe to say that i have no clue of the real technical capabilities of the current generations. So if they are actively saying that it will work, mabye it will. Also, i have to brag, I had a 360, three years, never red ringed, it just got old and the disk drive stopped working, what are the odds? i just [i]know[/i] that my new one will though. Getting read :P

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